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Hedwige of Forbach

1050-1088
Born: Formbach, Germany
Died: Nancy, Meurthe-et-Moselle, Lorraine, Kingdom of France

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  • Story: Foundation Of Medeaval Genealogy - Hedwig Countess Of Formbach

    <p>http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIAN%20NOBILITY.htm#HedwigFormbachdied10901093</p><a name="_Toc263325458"></a>B.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GRAFEN von FORMBACH <pre>&nbsp;</pre><pre>&nbsp;</pre> <p><strong>THIEMO</strong> [I] [Dietmar], son of Graf BERTHOLD &amp; his wife --- (-7 Mar [1050]).&nbsp; Wegener refers to Graf Berthold, son of Graf Ulrich, transferring his bondsman Rihgart on his deathbed into the hands of his son Graf Thiemo by charter dated [1000/05]<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[459]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; According to the 14th century <em>Genealogia comitum Neuburgensium sive Formbacensium</em>, &quot;<em>Udalricus senex comes genuit sex filios Arnoldum, Piligrimum, Brunonem, Tyemonem, Chounradum clericum Salzburgensem prepositum, Meginhardum</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[460]</span></span></span></span>, but this appears to be inaccurate.&nbsp; The <em>Vita Wirntonis</em> names &quot;<em>Eckebertus comes, avo suo Thymone</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[461]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; &quot;<em>Heinricus&hellip;rex</em>&quot; restored property &quot;<em>villam Flinsbach dictam in pago Sueinihgouui sitam et in comitatu Tiemonis comitis</em>&quot; to Kloster Niederaltach by charter dated 5 Nov 1005<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[462]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; Graf im Schweinachgau.&nbsp; &quot;<em>Heinricus&hellip;rex</em>&quot; granted market and customs rights at &quot;<em>villa Helmgerisperk&hellip;in comitatu Thiemonis</em>&quot; to Kloster Niederaltach by charter dated 7 Jun 1009<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[463]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; Graf in Reichenhall.&nbsp; Graf im Salzburggau 1007.&nbsp; &quot;<em>Chunigund&aelig; imperatricis august&aelig;</em>&quot; donated property to the church of Freising by charter dated 1025, witnessed by &quot;&hellip;<em>Tiemo comes&hellip;Heinrih filius Tiemonis comitis</em>&hellip;&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[464]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;<em>Heinricus&hellip;Romanorum imperator augustus</em>&quot; confirmed market and customs rights &quot;<em>in villa Helmgerisberk&hellip;in comitatu Theimonis</em>&quot; to Kloster Niedaltaich by charter dated 19 Feb 1049<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[465]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; Wegener refers to an exchange of property between Thiemo grandfather of Oudalrich von Windeperge and Egilbert Bishop of Passau dated [1045/50]<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[466]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; The necrology of the Niederm&uuml;nster at Regensburg records the death &quot;<em>Non Mar</em>&quot; of &quot;<em>Diemar com</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[467]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; </p> <p><strong><span style="color: gray">m</span></strong> ---.&nbsp; The name of Thiemo&#39;s wife is not known.&nbsp; </p> <p>Graf Thiemo [I] &amp; his wife had eight children:</p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">1.<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><strong><span style="color: gray">THIEMO</span></strong> [II] [Dietmar] (-killed in battle 28 Aug 1040).&nbsp; According to the 14th century <em>Genealogia comitum Neuburgensium sive Formbacensium</em>, &quot;<em>Tiemo senior genuit iuniorem Tiemonem, Hermannum Bambergensem prepositum, Dietricum clericum, Fridericum, Heinricum</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[468]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; </p> <p style="text-indent: 1cm">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <strong>see below</strong>.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">2.<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><strong><span style="color: gray">HEINRICH </span></strong>[I] [Hesso] (-[1030]).&nbsp; According to the 14th century <em>Genealogia comitum Neuburgensium sive Formbacensium</em>, &quot;<em>Tiemo senior genuit iuniorem Tiemonem, Hermannum Bambergensem prepositum, Dietricum clericum, Fridericum, Heinricum</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[469]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; &quot;<em>Chunigund&aelig; imperatricis august&aelig;</em>&quot; donated property to the church of Freising by charter dated 1025, witnessed by &quot;&hellip;<em>Tiemo comes&hellip;Heinrih filius Tiemonis comitis</em>&hellip;&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[470]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; <strong><span style="color: gray">m</span></strong> <strong><span style="color: gray">HIMILTRUD</span></strong>, daughter of ---.&nbsp; Wegener refers to the donation to St Emmeram dated [1030] by Himildrud widow, with powers to her son Hermann, for the soul of her husband Heinrich, witnessed by &quot;<em>Routpreht comes, Meginhart comes</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[471]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; Graf Heinrich [I] &amp;&nbsp; his wife had [three] children:&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 2cm; text-indent: -1cm">a)<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><strong><span style="color: gray">HERMANN</span></strong> .&nbsp; Wegener refers to the donation to St Emmeram dated [1030] by Himildrud widow, with powers to her son Hermann, for the soul of her husband Heinrich, witnessed by &quot;<em>Routpreht comes, Meginhart comes</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[472]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 2cm; text-indent: -1cm">b)<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>[<strong><span style="color: gray">TUTA</span></strong> .&nbsp; Proof that Heinrich [I] [von Formbach] had a daughter named Tuta seems shaky.&nbsp; It depends on the interpretation of two documents, the first of which is the <em>Codex Traditionum</em> of Formbach monastery which records a donation by &quot;<em>domna Himildrudis filia Hessonis</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[473]</span></span></span></span>, and the second the same source which records a dispute with Suben monastery and names &quot;<em>due&hellip;sorores Touta et Himildrud&hellip;nobilissimis</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[474]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; The basis for assuming that &quot;Hesso&quot; is the same person as &quot;Heinrich [I]&quot; is unclear.]&nbsp; <em>same person as&hellip;?</em>&nbsp; <strong><span style="color: gray">TUTA</span></strong> (-2 Feb or 14 Mar [after 1070]).&nbsp; &quot;Tuta von Formbach&quot; is shown as the wife of P&eacute;ter King of Hungary in <em>Europ&auml;ische</em><em> Stammtafeln</em><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[475]</span></span></span></span>. &nbsp;No primary source has been identified which indicates either the marriage of King P&eacute;ter to &quot;Tuta&quot; or Tuta&#39;s parentage.&nbsp; As shown below, there are late references to a &quot;Queen Tuta&quot; having founded the monastery of Suben (near Sch&auml;rding in Upper Austria), one of which states that she was &quot;queen of Hungary&quot;.&nbsp; No primary source has been found which links &quot;Queen Tuta&quot; with Tuta, joint founder of Vornbach monastery together with her sister Himiltrud, whose father &quot;Hesso&quot; is assessed by Wegener to have been the same person as Heinrich [I] [von Formbach].&nbsp; Wegener says<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[476]</span></span></span></span> that &quot;Queen Tuta&quot; was the second wife of B&eacute;la I King of Hungary, the marriage having taken place after the death of his first wife which he dates to &quot;after 1052&quot; (<em>Europ&auml;ische Stammtafeln</em> suggests that King B&eacute;la&#39;s first wife died &quot;after 1059&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[477]</span></span></span></span>).&nbsp; He bases his argument on connections with the monastery of Suben founded in 1040.&nbsp;&nbsp; He explains<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[478]</span></span></span></span> that Archbishop Eberhard (von Sulzbach) names &quot;Tuta&quot; (in a document dated 1153, more than a century after the events) as &quot;die Gr&uuml;nderin von Suben, K&ouml;nigin&quot;, and that in an even later document from the monastery she is called &quot;K&ouml;nigin von Ungarn&quot;, although it cannot be concluded from these documents that she was queen at the date she founded the monastery.&nbsp; He then highlights a connection between possible descendants of King B&eacute;la&#39;s daughter Sophia (by her first husband Ulrich Marchese of Istria) and the same monastery which, he suggests, indicates that Sophia was the daughter of &quot;Queen Tuta&quot;.&nbsp; The chronology of his argument is shaky as Sophia must have been born before [1050], when King B&eacute;la&#39;s known Polish wife appears still to have been alive.&nbsp; Who, then, was &quot;Queen Tuta&quot; and who was her husband?&nbsp; The existence of a &quot;Queen Tuta&quot; is confirmed by the necrology of Regensburg Monastery which records the death &quot;<em>IV Non Feb</em>&quot; of &quot;<em>Tuta regina</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[479]</span></span></span></span>, although this gives no indication of the country involved or the date of her death.&nbsp; Assuming that Tuta was queen of Hungary, and that she lived during the mid-11th century, her possible husbands are King P&eacute;ter, King S&aacute;muel Aba, King Andr&aacute;s I and King B&eacute;la I.&nbsp; The last-named is unlikely, as shown above.&nbsp; His brother and predecessor, King Andr&aacute;s, is recorded as having married a Russian princess.&nbsp; This leaves King S&aacute;muel and King P&eacute;ter.&nbsp; Nothing is known of the wife of the former, but considering his probable date of birth it is likely that he was married before his accession in 1041, in which case his wife was most likely a Hungarian noblewoman.&nbsp; This leaves King P&eacute;ter, a possibility which Wegener apparently ignores.&nbsp; There appears no factual basis for the speculation that &quot;Queen Tuta&quot; was the wife of King P&eacute;ter, although the necrology of Regensburg St Emmeram which records her death also includes a reference to the death &quot;<em>III Kal Sep</em>&quot; of &quot;<em>Petrus Ungariorum rex</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[480]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; An alternative explanation for the Suben connection would be that Sophia was the daughter of King P&eacute;ter and Tuta.&nbsp; However, contemporary political realities suggest that a prominent marriage for a daughter of the disgraced King P&eacute;ter is unlikely.&nbsp; Until more information comes to light, it is safer to assume that Sophia was the daughter of King B&eacute;la and [Ryksa] of Poland, that another (so far unidentified) factor explains the apparent connection between Tuta and Sophia through Suben monastery, and that Tuta was the wife of King P&eacute;ter.&nbsp; This last conclusion suggests that it is even less likely that Tuta&#39;s parentage was as suggested in <em>Europ&auml;ische</em><em> Stammtafeln</em>.&nbsp; If the marriage took place before P&eacute;ter&#39;s accession, it is difficult to explain why the son of an ex-Doge of Venice (his father had been deposed in 1026) would marry the daughter of an obscure Bavarian noble.&nbsp; If the marriage occurred after P&eacute;ter became king, it seems likely that his supporters would have been able to arrange a more prominent marriage for their new ruler, particular as his sister was married to the Markgraf of Austria soon after his accession.&nbsp; No primary source has been identified which throws light on the year of Tuta&#39;s death.&nbsp; Assuming that her husband&#39;s second marriage is correct, she must have died many years before the &quot;after 1070&quot; which is suggested by <em>Europ&auml;ische</em><em> Stammtafeln</em><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[481]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; <strong><span style="color: gray">m</span></strong> [as his first wife,] <strong>P&Eacute;TER King of Hungary</strong>, son of PIETRO OTTONE Orseolo Doge of Venice &amp; his wife Maria [Grimelda] of Hungary ([Venice] [1010/15]-[30 Aug] [1060], bur P&eacute;cs, St Peter&#39;s Cathedral).&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 2cm; text-indent: -1cm">c)<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>[<strong><span style="color: gray">HIMILTRUD</span></strong> .&nbsp; Proof that Heinrich [I] [von Formbach] had a daughter named Himiltrud seems shaky.&nbsp; It depends on the interpretation of two documents, the first of which is the <em>Codex Traditionum</em> of Formbach monastery which records a donation by &quot;<em>domna Himildrudis filia Hessonis</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[482]</span></span></span></span>, and the second the same source which records a dispute with Suben monastery and names &quot;<em>due&hellip;sorores Touta et Himildrud&hellip;nobilissimis</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[483]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; The basis for assuming that &quot;Hesso&quot; is the same person as &quot;Heinrich [I]&quot; is unclear.&nbsp; She founded Kollegiatstift Vornbach before 1050.&nbsp; 1070.]&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">3.<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><strong><span style="color: gray">PILGRIM</span></strong> .&nbsp; Wegener refers to a donation by &quot;<em>Edle</em><em> Tiemo</em>&quot; to St Emmeram for the entry of his brother Piligrim into the monastery<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[484]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; Monk at St Emmeram [1035].&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">4.<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><strong><span style="color: gray">DIETRICH</span></strong> (-5 Jul after [1059/64]).&nbsp; According to the 14th century <em>Genealogia comitum Neuburgensium sive Formbacensium</em>, &quot;<em>Tiemo senior genuit iuniorem Tiemonem, Hermannum Bambergensem prepositum, Dietricum clericum, Fridericum, Heinricum</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[485]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; Canon at Bamberg Cathedral.&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">5.<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><strong><span style="color: gray">ULRICH</span></strong> [IV] .&nbsp; &quot;<em>Heinricus&hellip;Romanorum imperator augustus</em>&quot; donated property &quot;<em>in orientali pago iuxta flumen Suarzaha&hellip;quam ibi possedet Odalricus filius Tiemonis comitis</em>&quot; to Kloster Niederaltaich by charter dated 8 Apr 1048<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[486]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">6.<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><strong><span style="color: gray">HERMANN</span></strong> (-23 Dec 1064).&nbsp; According to the 14th century <em>Genealogia comitum Neuburgensium sive Formbacensium</em>, &quot;<em>Tiemo senior genuit iuniorem Tiemonem, Hermannum Bambergensem prepositum, Dietricum clericum, Fridericum, Heinricum</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[487]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; Provost at Bamberg Cathedral 1059.&nbsp; He inherited the town of Kunstadt from Adalbert &quot;<em>urbis comes</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[488]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">7.<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><strong><span style="color: gray">FRIEDRICH</span></strong> (-killed [1060], bur Vornbach).&nbsp; According to the 14th century <em>Genealogia comitum Neuburgensium sive Formbacensium</em>, &quot;<em>Tiemo senior genuit iuniorem Tiemonem, Hermannum Bambergensem prepositum, Dietricum clericum, Fridericum, Heinricum</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[489]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; <strong><span style="color: gray">m</span></strong> as her first husband, <strong>GERTRUD von Haldensleben</strong>, daughter of KONRAD Graf von Haldensleben [Nordmark] &amp; his wife --- [von Friesland] (-21 Feb 1116).&nbsp; According to the 14th century <em>Genealogia comitum Neuburgensium sive Formbacensium</em>, &quot;<em>Fridericus senioris Tiemonis filius</em>&quot; married &quot;<em>neptem ipsius regis Gertrudem</em>&quot;, the king referred to being Heinrich IV King of Germany, and was buried at Formbach<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[490]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; The primary source which confirms her precise parentage has not yet been identified.&nbsp; She married secondly as his second wife, <strong>Ordulf Duke in Saxony</strong> [Billung].&nbsp; The Annalista Saxo records the death in 1116 of &quot;<em>Gertrudis ductrix, avia Liuderi ducis</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[491]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; Graf Friedrich &amp; his wife had one child:&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 2cm; text-indent: -1cm">a)<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><strong><span style="color: gray">HEDWIG</span></strong> (-[1090/93]).&nbsp; The <em>Vita Wirntonis</em> names &quot;<em>Fridericus</em>&quot; as father of &quot;<em>Hedwigis, mater Lotharii regis</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[492]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; According to the 14th century <em>Genealogia comitum Neuburgensium sive Formbacensium</em>, &quot;<em>Hadewic mater Lotharii regis et Ite comitisse de Purchausen</em>&quot; was the only daughter of &quot;<em>Fridericus senioris Tiemonis filius</em>&quot; &amp; his wife<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[493]</span></span></span></span>.&nbsp; Her alleged first marriage to &quot;Graf Heinrich&quot; is based on a misinterpretation of the report that Simon Duke of Lorraine married &quot;<em>his stepmother&#39;s daughter whom she had by her first husband Graf Heinrich</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[494]</span></span></span></span>, assuming that Duke Simon was therefore the son of Hedwig&#39;s second husband, Thierry II Duke of Lorraine, by his second wife Gertrud de Flandre.&nbsp; According to <em>Europ&auml;ische</em><em> Stammtafeln</em><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[495]</span></span></span></span>, Duke Simon was the son of his father&#39;s first wife Hedwig.&nbsp; Poull<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[496]</span></span></span></span> refers to several sources which apparently indicate that he was the son of Duke Thierry II&#39;s second marriage, including Duke Simon&#39;s own act dated 11 Apr 1126 referring to his deceased &quot;<em>mother Gertrude</em>&quot;.&nbsp; However, the chronology is highly unfavourable for this possibility.&nbsp; If Duke Simon&#39;s wife had been the daughter of Hedwig von Formbach, by an otherwise unknown first husband, she must have been born before 1072, considering that Hedwig gave birth to two children by her husband Gerhard von S&uuml;pplingenburg who died in 1075.&nbsp; This would be incompatible with Duke Simon&#39;s wife having given birth to at least seven children, even if their marriage took place as early as [1112/13] as suggested by Poull.&nbsp; <strong><span style="color: gray">m firstly</span></strong> <strong>GERHARD von S&uuml;pplingenburg</strong> Graf im Harzgau, son of Graf im Harz- und Derlingau und in Nordth&uuml;ringen &amp; his wife Ida von Querfurt (-killed in battle Homburg 9 Jun 1075).&nbsp; <strong><span style="color: gray">m secondly</span></strong> ([1080]) as his first wife, <strong>THIERRY II Duke of Lorraine</strong>, son of GERARD Duke of Upper Lotharingia [Matfriede] &amp; his wife Hadwide --- (-30 Dec 1115).&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">8.<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>[<strong><span style="color: gray">MEGINHARD</span></strong><strong><span style="color: gray"> IV</span></strong> (-killed in battle 1066).&nbsp; According to the 14th century <em>Genealogia comitum Neuburgensium sive Formbacensium</em>, &quot;<em>Meginhardus frater senioris Tiemonis genuit Oudalricum, Hermannum provincie comitem et Chunradum</em>&quot;<span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'">[497]</span></span></span></span>, although it appears chronologically more probable that Meginhard was the son rather than brother of &quot;<em>senioris Tiemonis</em>&quot; considering that it is unlikely that Meginhard&#39;s sons were born much before [1045/50].&nbsp; Vogt von Niederaltaich [1060].]&nbsp; </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <strong>GRAFEN von RATELBERG und WINDBERG</strong>.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

  • Story: Hedwig Countess Of Formbach Birth 1050 In Formbach, Germany

    <p>http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I13845&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous</p>Hedwig von Formbach<sup><span class="normal">[<a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I13845&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous#cite1">1</a>]</span></sup><br><span class="normal"><img style="vertical-align: -1px" src="http://histfam.familysearch.org/img/tng_female.gif" border="0" alt="Female" width="11" height="11"> Abt 1050 - Abt 1093</span><ul><li style="list-style-type: none"><tbody><tr><td id="info1" class="fieldnameback indleftcol" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Birth&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" valign="top">Abt 1050&nbsp;</td> <td class="databack" valign="top">of, F&ouml;rnbach, Oberbayern, Bavaria <a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/placesearch.php?psearch=of%2C+F%C3%B6rnbach%2C+Oberbayern%2C+Bavaria" title="Find all individuals with events at this location"><img src="http://histfam.familysearch.org/img/tng_search_small.gif" border="0" alt="Find all individuals with events at this location" width="9" height="9"></a>&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Gender&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top">Female&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">AFN&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top">9HM7-HT&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Name AKA&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top">Hedwig Countess of Formbach&nbsp; [<a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I13845&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous#cite2">2</a>]&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Died&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top">Abt 1090/1093&nbsp; [<a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I13845&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous#cite3">3</a>]&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Person ID&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" valign="top">I13845&nbsp;</td> <td class="databack" valign="top"><a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/showtree.php?tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Europe: Royal and Noble Houses with Colonial American Connections</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Last Modified&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top">24 Jul 2011&nbsp;</td></tr> </tbody> <br> <tbody><tr> <td id="famF180878_1" class="fieldnameback indleftcol" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Father&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top"><a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I91448&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Friedrich, Graf von Formbach</a>, &nbsp; b. Abt 1024, of, Fornbach, Sachsen-Coburg-Eisnach, Thuringia <a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/placesearch.php?tree=&amp;psearch=of%2C+Fornbach%2C+Sachsen-Coburg-Eisnach%2C+Thuringia" title="Find all individuals with events at this location"><img src="http://histfam.familysearch.org/img/tng_search_small.gif" border="0" alt="Find all individuals with events at this location" width="9" height="9"></a>, &nbsp; d. 1060&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Mother&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top"><a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I377932&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Gertrud von Haldensleben</a>, &nbsp; b. Abt 1025, of, Haldensleben, Sachsen, Prussia <a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/placesearch.php?tree=&amp;psearch=of%2C+Haldensleben%2C+Sachsen%2C+Prussia" title="Find all individuals with events at this location"><img src="http://histfam.familysearch.org/img/tng_search_small.gif" border="0" alt="Find all individuals with events at this location" width="9" height="9"></a>, &nbsp; d. 21 Feb 1116&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Family ID&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" valign="top">F180878&nbsp;</td> <td class="databack" valign="top"><a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/familygroup.php?familyID=F180878&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Group Sheet</a></td> </tr> </tbody> <br> <tbody><tr> <td id="famF6037_1" class="fieldnameback indleftcol" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Family 1&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top"><a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I12272&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Dietrich II, Herzog von Lothringen</a>, &nbsp; b. Abt 1044, of, , Alsace Lorraine <a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/placesearch.php?tree=&amp;psearch=of%2C+%2C+Alsace+Lorraine" title="Find all individuals with events at this location"><img src="http://histfam.familysearch.org/img/tng_search_small.gif" border="0" alt="Find all individuals with events at this location" width="9" height="9"></a>, &nbsp; d. 1105&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Married&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top">Abt 1080&nbsp; [<a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I13845&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous#cite4">4</a>]&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Children&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td valign="top">&nbsp;</td><td id="childI385111" class="unhighlightedchild"><span class="normal">1. <a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I385111&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Simon von Oberlothringen</a>, &nbsp; d. Bef 1095</span></td></tr> <tr><td valign="top">&nbsp;</td><td id="childI55044" class="unhighlightedchild"><span class="normal">2. <a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I55044&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Petronella von Oberlothringen</a>, &nbsp; b. Abt 1086, of, , Alsace Lorraine <a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/placesearch.php?tree=&amp;psearch=of%2C+%2C+Alsace+Lorraine" title="Find all individuals with events at this location"><img src="http://histfam.familysearch.org/img/tng_search_small.gif" border="0" alt="Find all individuals with events at this location" width="9" height="9"></a>, &nbsp; d. 23 May 1144</span></td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Last Modified&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top">11 Jul 2011&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Family ID&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" valign="top">F6037&nbsp;</td> <td class="databack" valign="top"><a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/familygroup.php?familyID=F6037&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Group Sheet</a></td> </tr> </tbody> <br> <tbody><tr> <td id="famF57476_1" class="fieldnameback indleftcol" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Family 2&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top"><a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I53739&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Gebhard von S&uuml;pplingenburg, Graf im Harzgau</a>, &nbsp; d. 9 Jun 1085, Bei Homburg, , Germany <a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/placesearch.php?tree=&amp;psearch=Bei+Homburg%2C+%2C+Germany" title="Find all individuals with events at this location"><img src="http://histfam.familysearch.org/img/tng_search_small.gif" border="0" alt="Find all individuals with events at this location" width="9" height="9"></a>&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Married&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top">Y&nbsp; [<a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I13845&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous#cite4">4</a>]&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Children&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td valign="top">&nbsp;</td><td id="childI299218" class="unhighlightedchild"><span class="normal">1. <a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I299218&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Ida von S&uuml;pplingenburg</a>, &nbsp; d. Abt 3 Mar 1138</span></td></tr> <tr><td valign="top">&nbsp;</td><td id="childI53737" class="unhighlightedchild"><span class="normal">2. <a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I53737&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Lothar, Kaiser des Heiligen R&ouml;mischen Reiches</a>, &nbsp; d. 4 Dec 1137, Breitenwang Am Lech, Tirol, Austria <a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/placesearch.php?tree=&amp;psearch=Breitenwang+Am+Lech%2C+Tirol%2C+Austria" title="Find all individuals with events at this location"><img src="http://histfam.familysearch.org/img/tng_search_small.gif" border="0" alt="Find all individuals with events at this location" width="9" height="9"></a></span></td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Last Modified&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top">24 Jul 2011&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Family ID&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" valign="top">F57476&nbsp;</td> <td class="databack" valign="top"><a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/familygroup.php?familyID=F57476&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Group Sheet</a></td> </tr> </tbody> <br> <tbody><tr> <td id="famF57488_1" class="fieldnameback indleftcol" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Family 3&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top"><a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I91218&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Heinrich, Graf</a>, &nbsp; d. Yes, date unknown&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Married&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top">Y&nbsp; [<a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I13845&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous#cite4">4</a>]&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Last Modified&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" colspan="2" valign="top">11 Jul 2011&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="fieldnameback" valign="top"><span class="fieldname">Family ID&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" valign="top">F57488&nbsp;</td> <td class="databack" valign="top"><a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/familygroup.php?familyID=F57488&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">Group Sheet</a></td> </tr> </tbody> <br> </li><li style="list-style-type: none"> <tbody><tr> <td id="citations1" class="fieldnameback indleftcol" valign="top"><a name="sources"></a><span class="fieldname">Sources&nbsp;</span></td> <td class="databack" valign="top"><ol class="normal citeblock"><li class="normal"><a name="cite1"></a>[<a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/showsource.php?sourceID=S1196&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">S1196</a>] #552 Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten. Neue Folge (1978), Schwennicke, Detlev, (Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, c1978-1995 (v. 1-16) -- Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, c1998- Medieval Families bibliography #552.), FHL book Q 940 D5es new series., Band 1.1 Tafel 13 A; Band 1.2 Tafel 204.<br><br></li><li class="normal"><a name="cite2"></a>[<a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/showsource.php?sourceID=S34&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">S34</a>] Medieval, royalty, nobility family group sheets (filmed 1996), Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Family History Department. Medieval Family History Unit, (Manuscript. Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1996), FHL film 1553977-1553985..<br><br></li><li class="normal"><a name="cite3"></a>[<a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/showsource.php?sourceID=S1196&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">S1196</a>] #552 Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten. Neue Folge (1978), Schwennicke, Detlev, (Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, c1978-1995 (v. 1-16) -- Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, c1998- Medieval Families bibliography #552.), FHL book Q 940 D5es new series., Band 1.2 Tafel 204.<br><br></li><li class="normal"><a name="cite4"></a>[<a href="http://histfam.familysearch.org/showsource.php?sourceID=S1196&amp;tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous">S1196</a>] #552 Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten. Neue Folge (1978), Schwennicke, Detlev, (Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, c1978-1995 (v. 1-16) -- Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, c1998- Medieval Families bibliography #552.), FHL book Q 940 D5es new series., Band 1.1 Tafel 13 A.<br></li></ol></td> </tr> </tbody> <br> </li></ul> <p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

 
 
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