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Ansbertus Gallo-Roman Senator

536-611
Born: Old Saxony, Sachsen, Germany
Died: Old Saxony, Sachsen, Germany

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    <div>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</div> <!-- /tagline --><!-- subtitle --> <div>&nbsp;</div> <!-- /subtitle --><!-- jumpto --> <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</div> <!-- /jumpto --><!-- bodycontent --> <div> <div style="display: none;">&nbsp;</div> <p><strong>Ansbertus</strong> was a Gallo-Roman Senator in the mid sixth century in the Frankish Kingdoms of Austrasia and Nuestria. According to the <em>Commemoratio Genealogiae Domni Karoli Glorissimi Imperatori</em>s (Chaume refers to it as the <em>Domo Carolingiae</em> Origo) written originally in the early 9th century, he is the son of Ferreolus, Senator of Narbonne<sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></span></sup> or more likely Ferreolus' eponymous son, Ferreolus of Rodez. J. Depoin demonstrated that key parts of the <em>Commemoratio</em> were in error, specifically the parentage of Arnulf of Metz by Ansbertus' son Arnoald of Metz.<sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></span></sup><sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></span></sup> Some historians have concluded on that basis that the entire Ansbertan branch of the Ferreoli is a myth designed to bolster the prestige of the Carolingians.<sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></span></sup></p> <p>However, based on the argument that falsifications of the earlier generations offered the Carolingians no observable benefit: the fact that they were tracing their ancestry back to a barely remembered praetorian prefect of Gaul and further to an otherwise unremembered consul, the fact that certain key aspects of the <em>Commemoratio</em> were independently corroborated by Paulus Diaconius, the fact that they had already held the imperial crown for 3 generations, the kingship of the Franks for 4 generations, and actual power over the Frankish kingdom for 6 generations and the fact that there were sufficient numbers of Gallo Romans and others surviving at the time, some of them intermarried with the Carolingians themselves,<sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></span></sup> who would have been aware of major errors and falsifications regarding senior Gallo Roman senatorial lines, the view that the Carolingians somehow saw advantage in claiming descent by a forged genealogy from Roman Imperial civil officials is unconvincing and added together with the association of the names "Ansbert" and "Ferreolus" in Episcopal sees in Upper Burgundy and Nuestria<sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></span></sup>, Depoin and later historians considering the matter have regarded the Commemoratio as preserving considerable factual information. <sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></span></sup><sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></span></sup><sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></span></sup>. The real point of confusion on the Commemoratio is not descent from the Ferreoli or the existence of Ansbert but the parentage of Arnulf of Metz. It must be conceded that the accuracy of the information in the Commemratio and other sources is poor and whereas Ansbertus and his wife Bilihild are more than conveniently fabricated mythical personages, aspects of their relationships with their contemporaries and their role in contemporary events remain unclear in many respects.</p> <p>Based upon the chronology required by Paulus Diaconius who briefly referred to the career of Ansbert's brother Agilulf Bishop of Metz in <em>De Mettensibus Episcopus</em><sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></span></sup>, Ansbert was born sometime between 525 and 545 about the time the Austrasian King Theoderic was gaining control of the area occupied by the lands of the Ferreoli from the Burgundians and Visigoths. The disposition of Ansbert's father, Ferreolus, is unknown but much of the property of the Ferreoli was under the administration of first Firminus and then Ferreolus Bishops of Uzes. Ferreolan property at Rodez was not ostensibly under their control and Ansbertus father, Ferreolus, may have located in either place. It seems likely, however, that after Theodoric established control, Ferreolus relocated to the Austrasian heartland near Metz. In the absence of such a move and the ties it would engender it is difficult to understand how Ansbert's brother and son were elected to the see of Metz and, in any case, according to Settipani the wife of Ferreolus was a daughter of Chloderic the Parricide king, briefly, of the Ripuarian Franks, relatives of King Theuderic who were located there.<sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></span></sup></p> <p>Although the Austrasian and other Merovingian kings made good use of their better educated Gallo-Roman subjects in their administrations, no information has survived as to what if any official role Ferreolus may have played. With the end of the Austrasian house of Theodoric, the Ferreoli fell within the orbit of Childebert and Chlothar and subsequently Chlothar alone. When the Austrasian, Nuestrian and Burgundian kingdoms were reestablished under Chlothar's sons, Sigibert, Chilperic (and Charibert) and Guntram respectively, Ansbert would appear to have ended up in the Nuestrian Kingdom. According to Chaume, the Notitia de Fundatione Monasterii Glanderiensis provides evidence of the descent of Nuestrian Mayor of the Palace Erchinoald from Ansbert through an otherwise unattested son named Erchinoald and an attested grandson named Leudesius.<sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></span></sup> <sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></span></sup></p> <span id="Marriage_and_issue" class="mw-headline">Marriage and issue:</span> <p>Ansbertus' wife, whose name was Blithild or Bilihild has been proposed as both a daughter of Lothar II or his grandfather Lothar I however given the chronology of the former and Gregory of Tours exhaustive list of the children of the latter, historians doubt such a connection. <em>The History of the Franks,</em> by Gregory of Tours, our main source on the Merovingians during the time of this supposed union, does not ascribe to Lombard princess Waldrada any children by her brief unconsecrated relationship with Chlothar.<sup><span style="font-size: small;"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></span></sup></p> <p>Whatever the origins of Bilihild, she and Ansbertus are said by the <em>Commemoratio</em> to have had the following children:</p> <ul> <li>Arnual or Arnoldus or Arnoald, Bishop of Metz</li> <li>Saint Munderic, Bishop of Arisitum</li> <li>Tarsicius or Tarsice who was a nun at Rodez.</li> <li>Ferreolus Bishop of Uzes. It seems far more likely however chronologically and for reasons having to do with the subsequent disposition of the See of Uzes, and the information contained in the Life of Ferreolus, that Ferreolus of Uzes was a brother and not son of Ansbert. The son, Ferreolus, of Ansbert that became a bishop was more likely Ferreolus, Bishop of Limoges.</li> </ul> <p>However the Commemoratio states that these were children of Ansbertus by Bilihild and indicates neither that he had no other wives nor that he had no other children by them. The Notitia de Fundatione Monasterii Glanderiensis states, according to Chaume, that Ansbertus had another son Erchinoald ancestor of the mayor of the palace of Neustria</p> <span id="Footnotes" class="mw-headline">Footnotes:</span> <ol> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>"Chaume 1977, partie II, 1, p.205"</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>Depoin, 1921</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>NEGHR, 1947</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>Smith, 2005</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>Settipani, 2004, pp. 197-225</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>Settipani, 2000, p. 210</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>Depoin, 1921</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>Settipani, 2000</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>NEGHR, 1947</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>"Chaume 1977, partie II, 1, p.205"</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>Settipani, 2000, p.221"</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>"Chaume 1977, partie II, 1, p.264"</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>"Chaume 1977, partie I, p.531"</span></li> <li><span><strong>^</strong></span> <span>"The History of the Franks" IV.9, by Gregory of Tours</span></li> </ol> <span id="Sources" class="mw-headline">Sources</span> <ul> <li>"Europe after Rome : a new cultural history 500-1000", by Julia M H Smith, Oxford University Press 2005 : "The Carolingian dynasty...appropriated the Roman past into its ancestry by a genealogy that claimed that its sainted (and historically attested) founder, Arnulf of Metz (d.c. 643) was the grandson of the (mythical) Merovingian princess Blithild and her (equally mythical) husband Ansbert, hailed as a Roman senator."</li> </ul> <ul> <li>Christian Settipani, Continuite Gentilice et Continuite Familiale Dans Les Familles Senatoriales Romaines A L'epoque Imperiale, Mythe et Realite, Addenda I-III (juillet 2000-octobre 2002) (n.p.: Prosopographica et Genealogica, 2002).</li> <li>Various <em>Monumenta Germaniae Historica</em> volumes (Leipzig: Verlag Karl W. Hiersemann, 1923&ndash;1925).</li> <li>David Humiston Kelley, "A New Consideration of the Carolingians," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, vol. 101 (1947)</li> <li>Christian Settipani, "L'apport de l'onomastique dans l'etude des genealogies carolingiennes" in ONOMASTIQUE ET PARENTE DANS L'OCCIDENT MEDIEVAL, Ed. K. S. B. Rohan &amp; C. Settipani, Prosopographica et Genealogica (2000)</li> <li>DEPOIN J., Grandes figures monacales des temps m&eacute;rovingiens : saint Arnoul de Metz. &Eacute;tudes de critique historique, dans Revue Mabillon, 1921, p. 245-258, et 1922, p. 13-25.</li> <li>Chaume, Maurice ' 'Les origines du Duche de Bourgogne' '. Darmstadt: Scientia Verlag Aalen, 1977.</li> <li><em>La noblesse du Midi Carolingien</em>, 2004</li> </ul> <tbody> <tr><th colspan="2"><a title="Wikipedia:Persondata" href="wiki/Wikipedia:Persondata">Persondata</a></th></tr> <tr> <td class="persondata-label" style="color: #aaaaaa;">Name</td> <td>Ansbertus</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="persondata-label" style="color: #aaaaaa;">Alternative names</td> <td>&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="persondata-label" style="color: #aaaaaa;">Short description</td> <td>&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="persondata-label" style="color: #aaaaaa;">Date of birth</td> <td>&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="persondata-label" style="color: #aaaaaa;">Place of birth</td> <td>&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="persondata-label" style="color: #aaaaaa;">Date of death</td> <td>&nbsp;</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="persondata-label" style="color: #aaaaaa;">Place of death</td> <td>&nbsp;</td> </tr> </tbody> <p>&nbsp;</p> <!-- NewPP limit report Preprocessor node count: 491/1000000 Post-expand include size: 4402/2048000 bytes Template argument size: 544/2048000 bytes Highest expansion depth: 11/40 Expensive parser function count: 0/500 --><!-- Saved in parser cache with key enwiki:pcache:idhash:10159758-0!*!0!!*!4!* and timestamp 20120817212641 --></div> <!-- /bodycontent --><!-- printfooter --> <div>Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ansbertus&amp;oldid=498892570"</div> <!-- /printfooter --><!-- catlinks --> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div style="display: none;">Rate this page</div> &nbsp;</div> </div> </div> </div>

 
 
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