ADELA Ela De Talvas
1118-1174
Born: Alencon, France
Died: Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England
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color: #ffffff; font-size: medium;"><strong>Family Links</strong></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#efefef"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"></span></span> <p>Spouses/Children:<br><strong>1. </strong><a href="5/32660.htm">William DE WARENNE 3rd Earl of Surrey</a></p> <ul> <li><a href="5/28135.htm">Isabel DE WARENNE Heiress of Surrey+</a></li> <li><a href="5/29245.htm">Gundred (Gundrada) DE WARENNE+</a></li> </ul> <p><strong>2. </strong><a href="4/5496.htm">Patrick DE SALISBURY 1st Earl of Salisbury</a></p> <ul> <li><a href="4/5504.htm">William FITZ PATRICK 2nd Earl of Salisbury+</a></li> <li><a href="5/12960.htm">Patrick D' EVEREAUX</a></li> <li><a href="5/12980.htm">Phillip D' EVEREAUX</a></li> </ul> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <h2>Adela (Ela) DE TALVAS of Alençon <a href="sources.htm#616"><sup>616</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#871"><sup>,871</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#995"><sup>,995</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1173"><sup>,1173</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1870"><sup>,1870</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1871"><sup>,1871</sup></a></h2> <p><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica;"></span></p> <ul> <li>Born: 1118-1119, Alençon, Orne, France <a href="sources.htm#1173"><sup>1173</sup></a></li> <li>Married (1): <a href="sources.htm#871"><sup>871</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1173"><sup>,1173</sup></a></li> <li>Married (2): Before 1152 <a href="sources.htm#1173"><sup>1173</sup></a></li> <li>Died: 4 Oct 1174, Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England <a href="sources.htm#871"><sup>871</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1173"><sup>,1173</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1870"><sup>,1870</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1871"><sup>,1871</sup></a></li> </ul> <p><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica;"></span><img src="bar_wh.gif" alt="" width="100%" height="11" align="middle"></p> <p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"><img src="bluepin2.gif" alt=""></span> Another name for Adela was Adela (Ela) DE TALVAISE.</p> <p><img src="bluepin2.gif" alt=""> Ancestral File Number: 8WKS-D8.</p> <p><img src="bar_wh.gif" alt="" width="100%" height="11" align="middle"> <span><font size="-1"></font></span></p> <p><img src="bluepin2.gif" alt=""></p> <p><span><font size="-1"></font><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><strong>Marriage Information:</strong></span></span></p> <blockquote> <p>Adela married William DE WARENNE 3rd Earl of Surrey, son of William DE WARENNE 2nd Earl of Surrey & Warren and Isabel (Elizabeth) DE VERMANDOIS <a href="sources.htm#871"><sup>871</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1173"><sup>,1173</sup></a>. (William DE WARENNE 3rd Earl of Surrey was born in 1118 in Lewes, Sussex, England <a href="sources.htm#871"><sup>871</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#995"><sup>,995</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1872"><sup>,1872</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1873"><sup>,1873</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1874"><sup>,1874</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1875"><sup>,1875</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1876"><sup>,1876</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1877"><sup>,1877</sup></a> and died on 19 Jan 1147-1148 in Laodicea, Holy Lands (dspm) <a href="sources.htm#871"><sup>871</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#995"><sup>,995</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1875"><sup>,1875</sup></a><a href="sources.htm#1877"><sup>,1877</sup></a>.)</p> </blockquote> <p><img src="bluepin2.gif" alt=""></p> <span><font size="-1"></font><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><strong>Marriage Information:</strong></span></span> <blockquote> <p>Adela also married Patrick DE SALISBURY 1st Earl of Salisbury, son of Sir Walter FitzEdward D' EVEREUX Sheriff of Wiltshire and Sibilla (Sybil) Maud DE CHAWORTH Heiress of Hesdin, before 1152 <a href="sources.htm#1173"><sup>1173</sup></a>. (Patrick DE SALISBURY 1st Earl of Salisbury was born about 1117 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England <a href="sources.htm#1173"><sup>1173</sup></a>, died on 27 Mar 1167-1168 in Battle at Poitou, France <a href="sources.htm#1173"><sup>1173</sup></a> and was buried in Abbey Of Saint H, Poitiers <a href="sources.htm#1173"><sup>1173</sup></a>.)</p> </blockquote> </td> </tr> </tbody>
<p>b.c. 1120, d. 1174; dau. of William III, "Talvas", and Alice/Ela of Burgundy; m. William III de Warenne. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD#100]</p><p>m. William, 3rd Earl of Warren & Surrey; mother of Isabel, Countess de Warren, and Gundred. [The Irish and Anglo-Irish Landed Gentry, p. 186]</p><p>m. William III de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Warenne & Surrey. [Charlemagne & Others, Chart 2958]</p><p>m. Patrick de Salisbury; mother of William Fitz Patrick who m. Alianore de Vitre. [GRS 3.03 Automated Archives CD#100]</p><p>m.1 William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey; m.2 Patrick, Earl of Salisbury, and was mother of William Fitz Patrick, Earl of Salisbury who m. Alianore de Vitrie. [Charlemagne, Alfred the Great, and Other Ancestors, Chart 3370c]</p><p>Dau. of William Talvas, Count of Alenco, and Alice, Countess of Burgundy; m. Patrick de Salisbury. [Robyn Jensen, 7 Nov 2001]<br>He [William de Warenne] married Ela or Ala, daughter of William TALVAS, COUNT OF PONTHIEU (son of Robert DE BELLÊME, 3rd EARL OF SHREWSBURY), by Ela, widow of Bertrand, COUNT OF TOULOUSE, and daughter of Eudes BOREL, DUKE OF BURGUNDY. He died<br>s.p.m. 19 January 1147/8, being slain when the rearguard of the French King's army was cut to pieces in the defiles of Laodicea. His widow married, probably in or before 1152, Patrick (DE SALISBURY), 1st EARL OF WILTSHIRE or SALISBURY (died 1168). She is said to have died 4 October 1174.<br>Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968 : Page: 112 <br> [William de Warenne] married Ela or Ala, daughter of William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu (son of Robert DE BELLÊME, 3rd EARL OF SHREWSBURY), by Ela, widow of Bertrand, Count of Toulouse, and daughter of Eudes Borel, Duke of Burgundy. He died s.p.m. 19 January 1147/8, being slain when the rear guard of the French King's army was cut to pieces in the defiles of Laodicea. His widow married, probably in or before 1152, Patrick (de Salisbury), 1st Earl of Wiltshire or Salisbury (died 1168). She is said to have died 4 October 1174.<br>Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968 Page:<br>112</p>
<p><font size="+1"><strong>Marriage Information:</strong></font></p> <blockquote><font size="-1"> </font><p><font size="-1">Adela married William DE WARENNE 3rd Earl of Surrey, son of William DE WARENNE 2nd Earl of Surrey & Warren and Isabel (Elizabeth) DE VERMANDOIS <sup>871</sup><sup>,1173</sup>. (William DE WARENNE 3rd Earl of Surrey was born in 1118 in Lewes, Sussex, England <sup>871</sup><sup>,995</sup><sup>,1872</sup><sup>,1873</sup><sup>,1874</sup><sup>,1875</sup><sup>,1876</sup><sup>,1877</sup> and died on 19 Jan 1147-1148 in Laodicea, Holy Lands (dspm) <sup>871</sup><sup>,995</sup><sup>,1875</sup><sup>,1877</sup>.)</font></p></blockquote><font size="-1"> </font><p><font size="-1"> </font><font size="+1"><strong>Marriage Information:</strong></font></p> <blockquote><font size="-1"> </font><p><font size="-1">Adela also married Patrick DE SALISBURY 1st Earl of Salisbury, son of Sir Walter FitzEdward D' EVEREUX Sheriff of Wiltshire and Sibilla (Sybil) Maud DE CHAWORTH Heiress of Hesdin, before 1152 <sup>1173</sup>. (Patrick DE SALISBURY 1st Earl of Salisbury was born about 1117 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England <sup>1173</sup>, died on 27 Mar 1167-1168 in Battle at Poitou, France <sup>1173</sup> and was buried in Abbey Of Saint H, Poitiers <sup>1173</sup>.)</font></p></blockquote>
<p> </p> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top">Birth: </td> <td align="left" valign="top">1118<br>Alencon, France</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Death: </td> <td align="left" valign="top">Oct. 4, 1174<br>Bradenstoke<br>Wiltshire, England</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" valign="top"><img src="http://www.findagrave.com/icons2/trans.gif" alt="" width="3" height="13"><br> <br>Family links: <br> Spouses:<br> <a class="NoUnderline12point" href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=69367664">Patrick Earl Of Salisbury (1122 - 1168)</a><br> <a class="NoUnderline12point" href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=84483516">William Warenne (1118 - 1148)</a>*<br> <br> Children:<br> <a class="NoUnderline12point" href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=88886184">William Fitzpatrick (1154 - 1196)</a>*<br> <br><span class="minus1">*<span class="fakeLink" title="">Calculated relationship</span></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" valign="top">Burial:<br> <a href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GRid=82479006&CRid=2358699&">Bradenstoke Priory</a> <br>Bradenstoke<br>Wiltshire, England</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <br>Created by: <a href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=mr&MRid=47114881">Jerry Ferren</a><br>Record added: Dec 28, 2011 <br>Find A Grave Memorial# 82479006</td> </tr> </tbody> <p> </p> <p><img src="http://image2.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2012/111/82479006_133507068119.jpg" alt="Ela <i>Talvas</i> Salisbury" width="250" border="0"><br><span>Added by: <span class="minus1">Audrey DeCamp Hoffman</span> </span></p>
<div> Hele d'Alençon<sup>1</sup> <div>b. circa 1116?</div><div>Hele d'Alençon|b. c 1116?|p56.htm#i6736|Guillaume III "Talvas" de Bellême, comte d'Alençon & de Ponthieu|b. c 1102?\nd. 29 Jun 1172|p374.htm#i4635|Hélie de Bourgogne|b. Nov 1080\nd. 28 Feb 1142|p366.htm#i4636|Robert I. de Bellême, comte d'Alençon|b. c 1034\nd. 8 May 1131|p363.htm#i4639|comtesse de Ponthieu Agnes de Ponthieu|b. c 1065\nd. a 1103|p356.htm#i4640|Eudes I "Borel", duc de Bourgogne|b. 1058\nd. 23 Mar 1103|p356.htm#i4637|Mathilde de Bourgogne|b. c 1065|p44.htm#i4638|</div> FatherGuillaume III "Talvas" <span>de Bellême</span>, comte d'Alençon & de Ponthieu<sup>1</sup> b. circa 1102?, d. 29 June 1172 MotherHélie <span>de Bourgogne</span><sup>1</sup> b. November 1080, d. 28 February 1142 <div> Also called Ela de Ponthieu.<sup>2,3</sup> Her married name was of Salisbury. Also called Adelia de Talvas.<sup>2</sup> Hele <span>d'Alençon</span> was born circa 1116? At Sussex, England. She was the daughter of Guillaume III "Talvas" <span>de Bellême</span>, comte d'Alençon & de Ponthieu and Hélie <span>de Bourgogne</span>.<sup>1</sup> Hele d'Alençon was born circa 1124 at D' Alencon, Normandy, France. She married Guillaume III <span>de Varennes</span>, 3rd Earl of Surrey, son of Guillaume II <span>de Varennes</span>, 2nd Earl of Surrey and Isabel <span>de Vermandois</span>; Her 1st.<sup>1,3</sup> Hele d'Alençon married Patrick <span>de Salisbury</span>, 1st Earl of Wiltshire, son of Walter fitz Edward <span>de Salisbury</span> and Sibyl <span>de Chaworth</span>, in 1149; Her 2nd.<sup>1,3</sup> Hele d'Alençon died on 4 December 1174 at the Priory, Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England. </div> Family 1Guillaume III <span>de Varennes</span>, 3rd Earl of Surrey b. 1121, d. 1148 Child<div><ul><li>Isabelle <span>de Varennes</span><strong>+</strong> b. c 1137, d. c 13 Jul 1199?<sup>4</sup></li></ul></div> Family 2Patrick <span>de Salisbury</span>, 1st Earl of Wiltshire b. circa 1118, d. 1168 Child<div><ul><li>William fitz Patrick, 2nd Earl of Salisbury<strong>+</strong> b. 1150, d. 1196<sup>3</sup></li></ul></div> <div> Citations <ol><li>[S1345] Anselme de Sainte-Marie (augustin déchaussé), <em>Pere Anselme's Histoire, 3rd Ed.</em>, III:292.</li><li>[S206] With additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr. and assisted by David Faris Frederick Lewis Weis, <em>Weis: AR 7th ed.</em>, 108-26.</li><li>[S1278] K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, <em>Domesday Descendants</em>, pg. 222.</li><li>[S1345] Anselme de Sainte-Marie (augustin déchaussé), <em>Pere Anselme's Histoire, 3rd Ed.</em>, VI:26.</li></ol> </div> </div>
<p>From Jim Weber's tree</p> <p>He [William de Warenne] married Ela or Ala, daughter of William TALVAS, COUNT OF PONTHIEU (son of Robert DE BELLÊME, 3rd EARL OF SHREWSBURY), by Ela, widow of Bertrand, COUNT OF TOULOUSE, and daughter of Eudes BOREL, DUKE OF BURGUNDY. He died s.p.m. 19 January 1147/8, being slain when the rearguard of the French King's army was cut to pieces in the defiles of Laodicea. His widow married, probably in or before 1152, Patrick (DE SALISBURY), 1st EARL OF WILTSHIRE or SALISBURY (died 1168). She is said to have died 4 October 1174. [Complete Peerage XII/1:496-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]</p>
<div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">[William de Warenne] married Ela or Ala, daughter of William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu (son of Robert DE BELLÊME, 3rd EARL OF SHREWSBURY), by Ela, widow of Bertrand, Count of Toulouse, and daughter of Eudes Borel, Duke of Burgundy. He died s.p.m. 19 January 1147/8, being slain when the rear guard of the French King's army was cut to pieces in the defiles of Laodicea. His widow married, probably in or before 1152, Patrick (de Salisbury), 1st Earl of Wiltshire or Salisbury (died 1168). She is said to have died 4 October 1174.</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">[Complete Peerage XII/1:496-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]</span></font></div><p style="text-align: "> </p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> </span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">----------</span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> </span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> </span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">Ela de Ponthieu</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> (-10 Oct 1174). Guillaume de Jumièges records that an unnamed daughter of Guillaume Talvas married "</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">Guillaume</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> de Warenne</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> comte de Surrey</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">". The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified but, if it is correct, it suggests that she must have been born from Guillaume´s marriage to Hélie de Bourgogne. Her second marriage is confirmed by Robert of Torigny who refers to the wife of "</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">comes Patricius</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">" as "</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">filia Guillermi comitis Pontivi, matre comitisse de Warenna</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">".</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> </span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">m firstly</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> </span></font><font color="#000000"><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey</span></font></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">, son of WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his wife Elisabeth de Vermandois [Capet] ([1119]-killed in battle Laodicea 19 Jan 1148). </span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">m secondly</span></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> (1152 or before) as his second wife,</span></font><font color="#000000"><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">PATRICK Earl of Salisbury</span></font></font><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">, son of WALTER FitzEdward de Salisbury & his wife Maud de Chaources [Chaworth] (-killed in battle Poitou [7 Apr] 1168, bur Poitiers, Abbaye de Saint-Hilaire). </span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> </span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">--FMG </span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> </span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">----------</span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> </span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">b.c. 1120, d. 1174; dau. of William III, "Talvas", and Alice/Ela of Burgundy; m. William III de Warenne. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD#100]</span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">m. William, 3rd Earl of Warren & Surrey; mother of Isabel, Countess de Warren, and Gundred. [The Irish and Anglo-Irish Landed Gentry, p. 186]</span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">m. William III de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Warenne & Surrey. [Charlemagne & Others, Chart 2958]</span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">m. Patrick de Salisbury; mother of William Fitz Patrick who m. Alianore de Vitre. [GRS 3.03 Automated Archives CD#100]</span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">m.1 William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey; m.2 Patrick, Earl of Salisbury, and was mother of William Fitz Patrick, Earl of Salisbury who m. Alianore de Vitrie. [Charlemagne, Alfred the Great, and Other Ancestors, Chart 3370c]</span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">Dau. of William Talvas, Count of Alenco, and Alice, Countess of Burgundy; m. Patrick de Salisbury. [Robyn Jensen, 7 Nov 2001]</span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small"> </span></font></p><p style="text-align: "><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">--From Ancestry.com public tree "</span></font><span style="color: #333333"><font face="verdana, geneva"><span style="font-size: small">Hodnett-Price-Gauthier-Normand and more", see link on Adela de Talvas person page on KOH.</span></font></span></p><p style="text-align: "> </p>
<font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Name: Talvace, Adela </font></font><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Birth - Death: d1174<span> </span></font></font><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Source Citation: </font></font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">Women in World History. A biographical encyclopedia. Seventeen volumes. Waterford, CT: Yorkin Publications, 1999-2002. Use the Index in vol. 17 to locate biographies. (WomWorHis)</font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Source Information:</font></font><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Ancestry.com. Biography & Genealogy Master Index (BGMI) [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Gale Research Company. Biography and Genealogy Master Index. Detroit, MI, USA: Gale Research Company, 2005.</font></font><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Description:</font></font><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">This database is a compiled index to millions of Americans who have been profiled in collective biography volumes such as Who's Who in America, Women of Science, Who's Who of American Women, National Cyclopedia to American Biography, Directory of American Scholars, and American Black Writers. It includes information first published in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. In addition to providing the individual's name, birth, and death dates (where available), the reference to the source document is included.</font></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font>
<p>http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#Eladied1174</p><p> </p><p> </p> <p><strong>GUILLAUME </strong><span style="color: windowtext">[I] "Talvas" </span><strong>de Ponthieu</strong>, son of ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême" Sire d'Alençon, Comte de Ponthieu, Earl of Shrewsbury & his wife Agnès de Ponthieu (-30 Jun 1171). His parentage is given by Orderic Vitalis<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[613]</span></span></span></span>. He succeeded his father [4 Mar 1106/1110]<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[614]</span></span></span></span> as <strong>Comte</strong><strong> de Ponthieu</strong>. Henry I King of England restored Comte Guillaume to his father's lands in Normandy in Jun 1119<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[615]</span></span></span></span>. He resigned Ponthieu in [1126] in favour of his son Guy. "<em>Gulielmus comes Pontivorum</em>" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "<em>his predecessors earl Roger and Mabel his wife, count Guy and Adda his wife, his father Robert de Belesmo and his mother Agnes and…Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter</em>" by charter dated 1127<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[616]</span></span></span></span>. Robert of Torigny records that Henry II King of England granted "<em>castrum Alenceium et Rocam Mabiriæ</em>" to "<em>Willermus</em><em> Talavacius comes Sagiensis et filius eius Johannes et iterum Johannes nepos eius filius Guidonis primogeniti sui comitis Pontivi</em>" in 1166<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[617]</span></span></span></span>. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1171 of "<em>Guillermus</em><em> Talavercius comes Pontivi</em>" and the succession of "<em>Johannes</em><em> nepos</em><em> suus…ex Guidone primogenitor suo</em>"<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[618]</span></span></span></span>. The Obituaire of Saint-Martin de Séez records the death 30 Jun of "<em>Guillelmus</em> <em> Pontivorum</em><em> comes</em>"<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[619]</span></span></span></span>. </p> <p><strong><span style="color: gray">m</span></strong> ([1115]) as her second husband, <strong>HELIE de Bourgogne</strong>, widow of <strong>BERTRAND de Toulouse Count of Tripoli</strong>, daughter of EUDES I Duke of Burgundy [Capet] & his wife Sibylle de Bourgogne [Comté] ([1080]-28 Feb 1141). She is named by Orderic Vitalis, who also records her parentage, her two marriages and the names her eldest son by each marriage<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[620]</span></span></span></span>. "<em>Gulielmus comes Pontivorum</em>" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "<em>…Ela his wife…</em>" by charter dated 1127<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[621]</span></span></span></span>. "<em>Guido</em><em> comes Pontivi</em>" donated property to Cîteaux with the consent of "<em>pater eius Willelmus comes…et mater eius Hela</em>" by charter dated 18 Dec 1139<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[622]</span></span></span></span>. "<em>Wido comes Pontivii</em>" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "<em>patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis</em>" by undated charter<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[623]</span></span></span></span>. </p> <p>Comte Guillaume [I] & his wife had twelve children: </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">1.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">GUY </span></strong><span>[II] <strong><span style="color: gray">de Ponthieu</span></strong> (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147). </span>His parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[624]</span></span></span></span>. He succeeded before 1129 as <strong>Comte</strong><strong> de Ponthieu</strong>. </p> <p style="text-indent: 1cm">- <strong>see below</strong>. </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">2.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">GUILLAUME</span></strong> <strong><span style="color: gray">de Ponthieu</span></strong> (-after 1166). "<em>Gulielmus comes Pontivorum</em>" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "<em>Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter</em>" by charter dated 1127<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[625]</span></span></span></span>. Comte d'Alençon 1166. </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">3.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">ROBERT de Ponthieu</span></strong> . "<em>Gulielmus comes Pontivorum</em>" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "<em>Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter</em>" by charter dated 1127<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[626]</span></span></span></span>. 1127. </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">4.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">ROBERT</span></strong><strong><span style="color: gray"> de Garennes</span></strong> (-1171 or after). "<em>Gulielmus comes Pontivorum</em>" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "<em>Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter</em>" by charter dated 1127<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[627]</span></span></span></span>. Monk before 1147. </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">5.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span>GUILLAUME de Ponthieu . "<em>Gulielmus comes Pontivorum</em>" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "<em>Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter</em>" by charter dated 1127<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[628]</span></span></span></span>. </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">6.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">ENGUERRAND de Ponthieu</span></strong> . "<em>Gulielmus comes Pontivorum</em>" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "<em>Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter</em>" by charter dated 1127<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[629]</span></span></span></span>. </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">7.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">ENGUERRAND de Ponthieu</span></strong> . "<em>Gulielmus comes Pontivorum</em>" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "<em>Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter</em>" by charter dated 1127<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[630]</span></span></span></span>. </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">8.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">MABILE de Ponthieu</span></strong> . "<em>Gulielmus comes Pontivorum</em>" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "<em>Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter</em>" by charter dated 1127<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[631]</span></span></span></span>. </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">9.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">JEAN</span></strong><strong><span style="color: gray"> de Ponthieu</span></strong> (-1191). Robert of Torigny records that Henry II King of England granted "<em>castrum Alenceium et Rocam Mabiriæ</em>" to "<em>Willermus</em><em> Talavacius comes Sagiensis et filius eius Johannes et iterum Johannes nepos eius filius Guidonis primogeniti sui comitis Pontivi</em>" in 1166<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[632]</span></span></span></span>. "<em>Wido comes Pontivii</em>" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "<em>patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis</em>" by undated charter<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[633]</span></span></span></span>. He succeeded in 1141 as <strong><span style="color: gray">Comte</span></strong><strong><span style="color: gray"> d'Alençon</span></strong>. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1171 of "<em>Guillermus</em><em> Talavercius</em><em> comes Pontivi</em>" and the succession of "<em>Johannes</em><em> comes filius eius</em>" in the lands which he held from the English king "<em>in Normannia et in Cenomannensi pago</em>"<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[634]</span></span></span></span>. </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm">- <strong>COMTES d'ALENÇON</strong>. </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">10.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">CLEMENCE</span></strong> <strong><span style="color: gray">de Ponthieu</span></strong> (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume de Jumièges records that an unnamed daughter of Guillaume Talvas married "<em>Joel</em><em> fils de Gauthier de Mayenne</em>"<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[635]</span></span></span></span>. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified. <strong><span style="color: gray">m</span></strong> (before 1120) <strong>JUHEL Sire de Mayenne</strong>, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux). </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">11.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">PHILIPPA</span></strong> <strong><span style="color: gray">de Ponthieu</span></strong> (-before 1149, bur Abbaye de Saint-Martin de Sées). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. </p> <p style="margin-: 1cm; text-indent: -1cm">12.<span style="font-family: 'times new roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">ELA de Ponthieu</span></strong> (-10 Oct 1174). Guillaume de Jumièges records that an unnamed daughter of Guillaume Talvas married "<em>Guillaume</em><em> de Warenne</em><em> comte de Surrey</em>"<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[636]</span></span></span></span>. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified. Her second marriage is confirmed by Robert of Torigny who refers to the wife of "<em>comes Patricius</em>" as "<em>filia Guillermi comitis Pontivi, matre comitisse de Warenna</em>"<span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'">[637]</span></span></span></span>.<span style="font-size: 9pt"> </span><strong><span style="color: gray">m firstly</span></strong> <strong>WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey</strong>, son of WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his wife Elisabeth de Vermandois [Capet] ([1119]-killed in battle Laodicea 19 Jan 1148). <strong><span style="color: gray">m secondly</span></strong> (1152 or before) as his second wife, <strong>PATRICK Earl of Salisbury</strong>, son of WALTER FitzEdward de Salisbury & his wife Maud de Chaources [Chaworth] (-killed in battle Poitou [7 Apr] 1168, bur Poitiers, Abbaye de Saint-Hilaire). </p><p> </p>
<p>http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I2788&tree=Dodge</p>Ela Talvas d'Alençon<sup><span>[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]</span></sup><br><span> Abt 1115 - 1174</span> <ul><li style="list-style-type: none"><span>Birth </span> Abt 1115 <span>Gender </span> Female <span>Name AKA </span> Adelia de Talvas [6] <span>Name AKA </span> Ela [7] <span>Name AKA </span> Ela de Ponthieu [8, 9] <span>Died </span> 4 Dec 1174 [7] <span>Person ID </span> I2788 Europe: Royal and Noble Houses (predominantly England and France) <span>Last Modified </span> 17 Dec 2010 <br> <span>Father </span> Guillaume III "Talvas", comte d'Alençon et de Ponthieu, b. Abt 1087, of, , , France , d. 29 Jun 1171 <span>Mother </span> Hélie de Bourgogne, b. 1080, of, , Bourgogne, France , d. 28 Feb 1141-1142 <span>Married </span> 1115 <span>Family ID </span> F5632 Group Sheet <br> <span>Family 1 </span> William III de Warenne, Earl of Warenne & Surry, b. 1119, d. 19 Jan 1147-1148, Holy Land <span>Married </span> <ul><li>STATUS: 1st marriage for wife.</li></ul> <span>Children </span> <span>1. Isabel de Warenne, Countess of Surrey, b. Abt 1132, d. 13 Jul 1199</span> <span>Last Modified </span> 17 Dec 2010 <span>Family ID </span> F1368 Group Sheet <br> <span>Family 2 </span> Patrick de Salisbury, Earl of Salisbury, b. Abt 1122, of, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England , d. 27 Mar 1167-1168, Battle of Poitou <span>Married </span> Abt 1150 <ul><li>MARRIAGE: Date> In or before 1152.<br> <br> STATUS: 2nd marriage for husband; 2nd marriage for wife.</li></ul> <span>Children </span> <span>1. William fitz Patrick, Earl of Salisbury, b. Abt 1150, of, Hambye , d. 17 Apr 1196, , Normandie, France </span> <span>2. Patrick fitz Patrick, d. Bef 1174</span> <span>3. Philip d'Evereux, d. Yes, date unknown</span> <span>4. Walter d'Evereux, d. Yes, date unknown</span> <span>Last Modified </span> 04 Sep 2008 <span>Family ID </span> F5382 Group Sheet <br> </li><li style="list-style-type: none"> <span>Notes </span> <ul><li>AFN: Alternate> 99T1-96.</li></ul> </li><br><li style="list-style-type: none"> <span>Sources </span> <ol><li>[S3147] Corrections to Keats-Rohan's Domesday Descendants, (http://www.fmg.ac/Projects/Domesday/), p. 935.<br><br></li><li>[S3792] #44 Histoire de la maison royale de France anciens baron, vol. 6 p. 26.<br><br></li><li>[S3130] Domesday Descendants, Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, 2002), 942 D3kk., p. 240, 245, 247.<br><br></li><li>[S4] #374 The Lineage and Ancestry of H. R. H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales (1977), Paget, Gerald, (2 volumes. Baltimore: Geneal. Pub., 1977), FHL book Q 942 D22pg., vol. 1 p. 13.<br><br></li><li>[S3358] #798 The Wallop Family and Their Ancestry, Watney, Vernon James, (4 volumes. Oxford: John Johnson, 1928), FHL book Q 929.242 W159w; FHL microfilm 1696491 it., vol. 3 p. 684, 815.<br> <br> "Ela (widow of William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey), da. of William, called 'Talvas', Count of Alencon and Ponthieu, by Ela, da. of Eudes, Duke of Burgundy; d. 10 December 1174."<br><br></li><li>[S3516] Medieval, royalty, nobility family group sheets (filmed 1996), Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Family History Department. Medieval Family History Unit, (Manuscript. Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1996), FHL film 1553977-1553985..<br><br></li><li>[S3358] #798 The Wallop Family and Their Ancestry, Watney, Vernon James, (4 volumes. Oxford: John Johnson, 1928), FHL book Q 929.242 W159w; FHL microfilm 1696491 it., vol. 3 p. 560.<br><br></li><li>[S3130] Domesday Descendants, Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, 2002), 942 D3kk., p. 222, 236.<br><br></li><li>[S3706] Medieval Lands: A Prosopography of Medieval European Noble and Royal Families, Cawley, Charles, (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands), England, Kings 1066-1603 [accessed 28 Jun 2006].</li></ol></li></ul><p> </p>