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Robert I Comte DeNamur et Lomme

944-981
Born: Namur, Namur, Belgium
Died: Lomme, Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France

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  • Story: BERENGAR, ROBERT I

    <span>BERENGAR, </span><span>ROBERT</span><span> I</span><p>&nbsp;</p><p style="text-indent: -1cm; margin-: 1cm"><span>1.<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><strong><span style="color: gray">BERENGAR</span></strong><span>, son of --- ([875/85]-before 946).&nbsp; The origins of Count Berengar are unknown.&nbsp; His birth date is estimated on the assumption that he was adult when he is named in the charter dated 907 (see below).&nbsp; Comte in <em>pagus Lommensis</em>.&nbsp; </span><span>&quot;<em>Hludouucus&hellip;rex</em>&quot; confirmed the donation by &quot;<em>bone memori&aelig; Kisala illustris femina</em>&quot; of the abbey of Fosse &quot;<em>in pago Lominse in comitatu Perengarii</em>&quot; to the church of Li&egrave;ge with the consent of &quot;<em>&hellip;Kepeharti&hellip;comitis</em>&quot; by charter dated 26 Oct 907 in which among &quot;<em>fidelium nostrum</em>&quot; was listed &quot;<em>Purchart filius Vualahonis</em>&quot;</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[5]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; Ludwig IV &quot;das Kind&quot; King of Germany confirmed a donation of property including &quot;&hellip;<em>in pago ac in comitatu Lummensi&hellip;cuius nunc adest comes Perengarius</em>&quot; to the church of Tongern at the request of &quot;<em>Kepehardus et Reginharius comites</em>&quot; and with the consent of &quot;<em>Albuini eo tempore illius comitis</em>&quot; by charter dated 18 Jan 908</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[6]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; Charles III &quot;le Simple&quot; King of the West Franks restored Kloster S&uuml;steren to the abbey of Pr&uuml;m by charter dated 19 Jan 916 which names </span><span>&quot;<em>fidelium nostrorum&hellip;Widricus comes palatii, Richuuinus comes, Gislebertus, Matfridus, Beringerius comites, Theodericus comes, Reinherus comes, Erleboldus</em>&quot;</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[7]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; </span><span>&quot;<em>Berengarii comitis Namurcensis</em>&quot; subscribed a charter dated 2 Jun 919 under which Gerard de Stave donated property to the abbey of Brogne</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[8]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; </span><span>Flodoard&#39;s Annals record that &quot;<em>Berengarius</em>&quot; captured &quot;<em>Giselbertum</em>&quot; (referring to the duke of Lotharingia) and only freed him after receiving &quot;<em>filiis Ragenarii fratris ipsius Gisleberti</em>&quot; as hostages, after which Giselbert ravaged the lands of &quot;<em>Berengarii, Ragenariique fratris sui et Isaac comitis</em>&quot;</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[9]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; <strong>Count of</strong> the castle of <strong>Namur</strong>.&nbsp; The <em>Vita Gerardi Abbatis Broniense</em> records that &quot;<em>comes Berengarius Nammucensi castro pr&aelig;sidebat</em>&quot; and that he took Gerard under his protection</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[10]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; <strong><span style="color: gray">m</span></strong> --- [<strong>von Maasgau</strong>], daughter of REGINAR </span><span>[</span><span>I</span><span>]</span><span> &quot;Langhals&quot; </span><span>Graf `von Maasgau </span><span>[Comte de Hainaut] &amp; his wife Alberada ---.&nbsp; Flodoard&#39;s Annals refer to the wife of &quot;<em>Berengarius</em>&quot; as &quot;<em>sororem [Gislebertum]</em>&quot; but do not name her</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[11]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; According to <em>Europ&auml;ische</em><em> Stammtafeln</em></span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[12]</span></span></span></span><span>, she was heiress of &quot;<em>comitatus Lomacensis</em>&quot;.&nbsp; Presumably this is suggested because both her father and her husband are recorded as counts &quot;<em>in pago Lominse</em>&quot;, and on the assumption that her husband succeeded her father.&nbsp; However, this assumes that the &quot;<em>pagus</em>&quot; is identical with the county, and that each <em>pagus</em> was ruled by only one count at any one time.&nbsp; </span><span>It is, however, clear from the development of the county structure in Germany that the counties were not geographically coincident with the <em>pagi</em>.&nbsp; References to two or three different <em>comitati</em> within one <em>pagus</em> are frequent in imperial diplomas, as are references to the <em>comitatus</em> of a single <em>comes</em> spreading into more than one <em>pagus</em>.&nbsp; It therefore appears not to be a safe assumption, in the absence of further documentary proof, that Berengar owed his position in </span><span>&quot;<em>comitatus Lomacensis</em>&quot; to his wife</span><span>.&nbsp; </span></p>

  • Story: Robert I Comte De Namur

    <span style="color: gray"><strong>ROBERT</strong></span><span> [I] ([920/25]-before 981).&nbsp; Robert succeeded as <strong>Comte</strong><strong> de Namur</strong>, maybe as direct successor to Berengar as no documentary record has been found of another intervening count in the area, although this is not certain.&nbsp; The earliest reference to Robert is the charter dated 2 Jun 946 under which &quot;<em>Rotbertus comes</em>&quot; donated the villa of Melin &quot;<em>in comitatu meo</em>&quot; to the abbey of Waulsort</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[13]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; According to <em>Europ&auml;ische</em><em> Stammtafeln</em></span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[14]</span></span></span></span><span>, Robert was the son of Berengar.&nbsp; However, the only evidence so far identified that Robert may have been a descendant of Berengar is provided by the <em>Vita Gerardi Abbatis Broniense</em> which records that &quot;<em>comes Berengarius Nammucensi castro pr&aelig;sidebat</em>&quot; commenting that &quot;<em>cuius stirpis posteritas ibidem hactenus perstat</em>&quot;</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[15]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; This convoluted reference suggests that the relationship may have been less direct than father/son: maybe Robert was Berengar&#39;s grandson, the son of Berengar&#39;s daughter.&nbsp; This appears to be corroborated by the chronology of the births in the family.&nbsp; If Giselbert, son of Robert [I], was born in [955/60], it is unlikely that his father was born before [920/25] at the earliest, bearing in mind that he was presumably an adult at the time of the 946 charter.&nbsp; Assuming that the birth date range of Berengar is correct as shown above, Robert would most likely have been born earlier than this if he had been Berengar&#39;s son.&nbsp; The fact that Robert named his second son Giselbert also suggests a family connection with Berengar, whose wife was the sister of Giselbert Duke of Lotharingia, although it is somewhat surprising that the name Berengar itself is not repeated among Robert&#39;s descendants.&nbsp; Another indication of Robert&#39;s family background is provided by the <em>Gesta Abbatum Gemblacensium</em> which names &quot;<em>Rotbertus&hellip;comes Namucensis</em>&quot; as the most powerful of the &quot;<em>c&aelig;teri fratres et nepotes pii patris nostri [Wicperti]</em>&quot;, while recording that he oppressed the abbey of Gembloux</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[16]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; If this is correct, Robert&#39;s maternal grandmother was Osburga, whose first husband was St Wicbert&#39;s father (see Chapter 5.A).&nbsp; </span><span>&quot;<em>Otto&hellip;rex</em>&quot; granted property &quot;<em>quod Ymmo in villa Castra et in pago Darnegouue ac in comitatu Rotberti comitis</em>&quot; to &quot;<em>fideli nostro Tietboldo</em>&quot; by charter dated 11 Jun 958</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[17]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; </span><span>Flodoard&#39;s Annals record that in 960 &quot;<em>Rotbertus</em>&quot;, enemy of Bruno Archbishop of K&ouml;ln (son of Henrich I King of Germany), fortified &quot;<em>Namuurum castrum</em>&quot; against the archbishop</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[18]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; &quot;<em>Rotbertus comes</em>&quot; subscribed a charter dated 961 under which Erluin abb&eacute; of Gembloux exchanged property</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[19]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; The <em>Gesta Abbatum Lobiensium</em> names &quot;<em>comite Roberto</em>&quot; and records that &quot;<em>Ratherius</em>&quot; died &quot;<em>apud Namurcum</em>&quot;</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[20]</span></span></span></span><span>, an event dated elsewhere to 974.&nbsp; <strong><span style="color: gray">m</span></strong> ---.&nbsp; </span><span>Thierry Stasser suggests that the wife of Robert [I] Comte de Namur may have been [<strong>Liutgarde</strong>], daughter of Adalbert Graf [von Metz], emphasising that this is purely speculative based only on onomastics</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[21]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; Comte Robert [I] &amp; his wife had [five] children:&nbsp; </span><p style="text-indent: -1cm; margin-: 2cm"><span>a)<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><strong><span style="color: gray">ALBERT</span></strong><span> (-shortly before 1011).&nbsp; Albert, Gislebert and Ratbod are named as sons of Comte Robert in a charter dated 981</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[22]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; He succeeded as <strong>ALBERT I Comte de Namur</strong>.&nbsp; </span></p><p style="margin-: 2cm"><span>-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <strong>see below</strong>.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></p><p style="text-indent: -1cm; margin-: 2cm"><span>b)<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><strong><span style="color: gray">GISELBERT</span></strong><span> ([955/60]-).&nbsp; The <em>Gesta</em><em> Abbatum Lobiensium</em> records that &quot;<em>Gislabertus, ex quatuor comitis Roberti filiis unus</em>&quot; accompanied &quot;<em>Mathildem comitissam</em>&quot; to the abbey of Lobbes</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[23]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; This event is not dated but is recorded in the <em>Gesta</em> several paragraphs after an event dated to 974.&nbsp; </span><span>His birth date range is estimated on the assumption that Giselbert was a young adult when he visited Lobbes, dated some time between 975 and 980.&nbsp; </span><span>Albert, Gislebert and Ratbod are named as sons of Comte Robert in a charter dated 981</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[24]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; </span></p><p style="text-indent: -1cm; margin-: 2cm"><span>c)<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><strong><span style="color: gray">RATBOD</span></strong><span> [Robert] .&nbsp; Albert, Gislebert and Ratbod are named as sons of Comte Robert in a charter dated 981</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[25]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></p><p style="text-indent: -1cm; margin-: 2cm"><span>d)<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span>son (-[before 981]).&nbsp; As the <em>Gesta Abbatum Lobiensium</em> records &quot;<em>Gislabertus, ex quatuor comitis Roberti filiis unus</em>&quot;</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[26]</span></span></span></span><span>, it is known that Comte Robert had a fourth son but no further information relating to him has been found.&nbsp; He presumably died before 981 as he is not named with his brothers in the charter of that date.&nbsp; </span></p><p style="text-indent: -1cm; margin-: 2cm"><span>e)<span style="font: 7pt 'times new roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><span>[<strong><span style="color: gray">LIUTGARDE</span></strong> .&nbsp; </span><span>Vanderkindere suggests that the wife of Arnoul [II] Comte de Cambrai may have been the daughter of Robert [I] Comte de Namur, both because the couple&#39;s son was named Albert and also because Liutgarde held property at Hanret in Darnau <em>pagus</em> which was divided between Namur and Brabant</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[27]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; No other information has been identified from which any alternative ancestry can be deduced for Liutgarde.&nbsp; Liutgarde possessed the alleu de Hanret, Hesbaye</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[28]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; &quot;<em>Arnulfus comes Valencencianensis et uxor eius Liutgardis cum filio suo Adalberto</em>&quot; donated property to Saint-Pierre-au-Mont-Blandin at Gent by charter dated 994</span><span><span style="font-size: 9pt"><span><span style="font-family: 'arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 9pt">[29]</span></span></span></span><span>.&nbsp; <strong><span style="color: gray">m</span></strong> <strong>ARNOUL </strong><span style="color: windowtext">[II] </span><strong>Comte de Cambrai</strong>, son of ARNOUL [I] Comte de Cambrai &amp; his wife Berta --- (-23 Oct 1012).]&nbsp; </span></p>

 
 
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